Kingsland Incorporation?

[Bentley]

I haven't heard much about Kingsland becoming Incorporated, but was told today that a meeting is going to be held at the Kingsland Library Monday to discuss. I orginally heard that being Incorporated would help the county to inforce clean-up, but I was told that the boundary does not include Skyline Dr, Airway, or any of that area? Can anyone clairify? From what I understand, one of the reasons Kingsland has grown to a population that is close to what MF was a few years ago, is because there aren't codes or permits to be pulled when building new homes and a business. All of the hugh houses being built along the lakes are required to have LCRA approval, but you don't have all of the building codes and permit fees to pay. Is this correct? Can anyone give the Pros & Cons? Thanks for any information.

[Doublehorn]

There is a meeting at Kingsland library this Tuesday, Aug 23rd at 6:30pm where they might answer a lot of your questions.

We hope to attend.

In our opinion, there are more positives to incorporation than negatives. This community has grown too large.

[Bentley]

Thank you for the meeting date, I won't be able to attend. Are you able to answer any of the questions I posted? Thanks

[Doublehorn]

......Are you able to answer any of the questions I posted? Thanks


No, I really dont know the details. I want to find out, however. We only moved here 2 years ago but it's not hard to see there is a lot that needs done around here.....

[Bentley]

Curiosity is getting to me...Do you know if Granite Shoals is Incorporated? I drive through there everyday and wonder why there are so many signs and billboards in front of open business that do not have any writing on them. A lot of SIGNS are just metal post, or plywood signs that have long faded. One day I counted 16 as I drove through. What a change it would make to GS just to tear down signs & the remains of old sign that are not in use.

Anyone reading this see how many you can count on your way through Granite Shoals. Shocking how we just get used to seeing things day after day. Take a look as if you were visiting the area, how would you rate it?

[Caretaker]

Curiosity is getting to me...Do you know if Granite Shoals is Incorporated? I drive through there everyday and wonder why there are so many signs and billboards in front of open business that do not have any writing on them. A lot of SIGNS are just metal post, or plywood signs that have long faded. One day I counted 16 as I drove through. What a change it would make to GS just to tear down signs & the remains of old sign that are not in use.

Anyone reading this see how many you can count on your way through Granite Shoals. Shocking how we just get used to seeing things day after day. Take a look as if you were visiting the area, how would you rate it?


GS is incoporated. They are a Home Rule Municipality.. I agree that they should take down the bad signs to help with the face lift. If you are talking rating the main stretch along 1431 ,IMO it is a 3 to 4 out of ten..

[Caretaker]

I haven't heard much about Kingsland becoming Incorporated, but was told today that a meeting is going to be held at the Kingsland Library Monday to discuss. I orginally heard that being Incorporated would help the county to inforce clean-up, but I was told that the boundary does not include Skyline Dr, Airway, or any of that area? Can anyone clairify? From what I understand, one of the reasons Kingsland has grown to a population that is close to what MF was a few years ago, is because there aren't codes or permits to be pulled when building new homes and a business. All of the hugh houses being built along the lakes are required to have LCRA approval, but you don't have all of the building codes and permit fees to pay. Is this correct? Can anyone give the Pros & Cons? Thanks for any information.


While they may not have to pull a city permit to build. More then likely they got a county permit. There is a fee for that permit in some countys. As far as codes go. Alot if not all the structures built out there say in the last 20 years or so Probably are as much to code as ones in citys that require them.And thats because the good Builders make them to code so there reputation grows as a quality builder..A shotty builder can get a bad rap real fast if they do bad work.. Plus it used to be that they had to guarantee their work for 1 year. .Also experienced builders or craftsman Hate having Inspectors look over there work..Ever had an inexperienced inspector not know if something is to code or not?? It does happen.
Now as far as LCRA requirements. They are very strict on certain things if it directly effects the lake.

[charleswolfington]

I moved here over 15 years ago. I moved from pflugerville because of the people on their board
made it like a home owner association. LOL

[countryboy]

I moved here over 15 years ago. I moved from pflugerville because of the people on their board
made it like a home owner association. LOL

So I take it you want Kingsland to incorporate??

[Peaches]

Does this mean Kingsland will establish its own police department?

[Caretaker]

Does this mean Kingsland will establish its own police department?

They dont necessarily have to form there own PD. They can still use the sheriffs department.

[butchkemper]

Incorporated cities are required by State Law to provide public safety services: police and fire, within the corporation boundaries. The City can provide these services with their own department or contract with another entity for the service.

Look at the City of Meadow Lakes. They have a contract with the Burnet County Sheriff for police protection and with the Marble Falls Area Volunteer Fire Department for fire protection. Meadow Lakes is negotiating with the City of Marble Falls for fire protection to replace the MFAVFD.

Butch

[Peaches]

They dont necessarily have to form there own PD. They can still use the sheriffs department.

I certainly hope they intend to pay the Sheriff's department for such a contract. Most of the calls in Llano County are in the Kingsland area, and that's a huge drain on the county's budget. Even the tiny city of Sunrise Beach provides its own law enforcement.

[Doublehorn]

........... Most of the calls in Llano County are in the Kingsland area, and that's a huge drain on the county's budget.....


It's easy to see that's true if one just checks the jail logs from Llano County. The largest proportion of arrests are Kingsland locals.....

[Bentley]

It's easy to see that's true if one just checks the jail logs from Llano County. The largest proportion of arrests are Kingsland locals.....
I'm not sure of the population of Llano, but could it be that Kingsland's population of 6044 is larger than Llano. If so, it would stand to reason that the county logs would be higher for Kingsland. Correct me if I am wrong, I don't know Llano's population.

Can anyone list what the Incorporation will do for Kingsland. I won't be able to go to the meeting, is there anything listed in the newpaper that I've missed. I really just want the facts.

Thanks

[Doublehorn]

I'm not sure of the population of Llano, but could it be that Kingsland's population of 6044 is larger than Llano. If so, it would stand to reason that the county logs would be higher for Kingsland. Correct me if I am wrong, I don't know Llano's population.

According to the 2010 census, the town of Llano's population is a little over 3500. The population of Llano County is a little over 19,000 and of course, Kingsland has about 6044.
So yes, Kingsland is twice the size of the town of Llano - but I will venture to say that there is a lot more than twice the crime & criminals living in Kingsland. I could be wrong, but from talking & listening to people in the area - they seem to share the same sentiment......


Can anyone list what the Incorporation will do for Kingsland. I won't be able to go to the meeting, is there anything listed in the newpaper that I've missed. I really just want the facts.

Thanks

Hopefully, we will find out some factual info at the meeting - I presume those that are putting this on will be biased towards incorporation, but I'm not sure. I dont know how many times this has even come up for a vote, but it seems it's been voted down at least once.

[Chief_USA]

Being the former Mayor of Rio Hondo, I can only envision another layer of taxes and little benefit. Chuck Lacallade will be gain fully employed, We will need a fleet of worn out DPS cars for the police, Kingsland Water will need to be incorporated, KMUD is already a taxing entity, A Planning and Zoning committee will tell what can and can't do with our properties and require a license to do improvements which will require building inspector to approve the improvement. A City Hall be needed and funds levied to pay for it. And the city will have to aquire the streets and maintain them and the equipment required. A City Secretary, City Clerk, A Court Judge and Secretary, all paid positions. I understand Kingsland Estates will not be included which will not solve the crime problem the labs will still exist. And the city will still have ETJ that they will want to enforce for the traffic revenue. I'm sure that the slate has a spin for all my concerns, but I would imagine it will be harder to dis incorporate than incorporate.

[Doublehorn]

I will be surprised if this latest push gets a vote of approval. However, I'm thinking there is more support for incorporation than before......
What do I know....after all, I'm just a newbie here....

[granite]

Incorporation will be good for the looks of the town with zoning and codes but the downside is that we will be charged double for the police, fire and street repair and still have the same service from the same people we have now plus additional administration costs. It should be an interesting meeting. When they had public meetings last year they had to quit because it was about 80% against because of the cost.

[Peaches]

I'm not sure of the population of Llano, but could it be that Kingsland's population of 6044 is larger than Llano. If so, it would stand to reason that the county logs would be higher for Kingsland. Correct me if I am wrong, I don't know Llano's population.

Can anyone list what the Incorporation will do for Kingsland. I won't be able to go to the meeting, is there anything listed in the newpaper that I've missed. I really just want the facts.

Thanks

Llano has its own police force, so the county does not (normally) take calls in Llano (except under mutual aid agreement when needed). The county is responsibile for providing law enforcement to people who live outside incorporated city limits. Kingsland has long been the center of attention in our law enforcement community.

[Caretaker]

Being the former Mayor of Rio Hondo, I can only envision another layer of taxes and little benefit. Chuck Lacallade will be gain fully employed, We will need a fleet of worn out DPS cars for the police, Kingsland Water will need to be incorporated, KMUD is already a taxing entity, A Planning and Zoning committee will tell what can and can't do with our properties and require a license to do improvements which will require building inspector to approve the improvement. A City Hall be needed and funds levied to pay for it. And the city will have to aquire the streets and maintain them and the equipment required. A City Secretary, City Clerk, A Court Judge and Secretary, all paid positions. I understand Kingsland Estates will not be included which will not solve the crime problem the labs will still exist. And the city will still have ETJ that they will want to enforce for the traffic revenue. I'm sure that the slate has a spin for all my concerns, but I would imagine it will be harder to dis incorporate than incorporate.


You left being near the Aroyo to live up in the hills?.

Maybe they could get a small morgan building for city hall and golf carts for all the workers..lol

[Caretaker]

I will be surprised if this latest push gets a vote of approval. However, I'm thinking there is more support for incorporation than before......
What do I know....after all, I'm just a newbie here....


That petition drive they did in order to get this on the ballot was what about 110 people.You will be lucky to see more then a 15% turn out at the ballot box and I doubt this will pass this time around.. I,m betting 30%for and 70%against.

[Chief_USA]

I was Anglo and a new kid on the block, I got elected because I ran unopposed.

[Doublehorn]

I was Anglo and a new kid on the block, I got elected because I ran unopposed.

:laughing: If this incorporation were to pass, I dunno who in their right mind would wanna be mayor of Kingsland.....

[countryboy]

:laughing: If this incorporation were to pass, I dunno who in their right mind would wanna be mayor of Kingsland.....


You can almost place a sure bet that at least one of those who started the drive to get kingsland incorporated has their sights set on being the Mayor and/or council member..And I would almost bet to say they would prefer to be KING of Kingsland then the mayor.. All hail the king:gr_jest:

[twain]

Incorporation means another layer of government control, loss of more personal freedoms, and many more taxes. Even though the organizers are saying they could rely on sales taxes only and not property taxes to make the city run, if anyone believes that I have some oceanfront property in Tombstone, AZ for sale. Sales taxes would be paid mostly by local citizens who have to grocery shop at the HEB or Ace Hardware and would see necessities of living rise. City Property taxes would follow in short order. And cities have a right to annex additional property every year. So if you aren't in their sites on this first proposed city map, you likely will be in the future. Annexation can be like a creeping cancer, taking your money and your property and the right to make your own decisions. The organizers want to "clean up Kingsland" -- that means condemning properties that are an eyesore and confiscating them for the better welfare, as they see it. If they try to sell their proposals saying "We can't get federal funds for community improvement unless we are a city" -- Well, folks, free federal matching funds are quickly becoming a thing of the past as this nation tries to dig in and ride out the worst recession since the great depression. Voters should think long and hard about the personal freedoms and money they would be giving up now and in the future.

"The mania for giving the Government power to meddle with the private affairs of cities or citizens is likely to cause endless trouble." -- Mark Twain, "Official Physic"

[Bentley]

Thanks for all of the replies. I can't be at the meeting tonight at the Kingsland Library, but if anyone attends could you please post the Pros & Cons. Thanks

[Doublehorn]

Thanks for all of the replies. I can't be at the meeting tonight at the Kingsland Library, but if anyone attends could you please post the Pros & Cons. Thanks

According to the info we have, the meeting is tomorrow, Tuesday the 23rd at 6:30pm

[Bentley]

Doublehorn, your right, the meeting is tonight at the Kingsland Library. Please post any information you get from the meeting. Wish I could attend.

[Doublehorn]

.........Please post any information you get from the meeting. Wish I could attend.


I will pass along any info I can gather - however, it appears I cant promise I will be attending, since either myself or my wife need to stay home with the kids.

She is interested in going, too. If she goes, I told her to take notes!

So I may be babysitting.....:(

I am betting there will be a full house.

[cwolfington]

Yes there was more than the library was able to get in. They moved it to the community center which it filled up. The 7(seven) that is trying to incorporate was not there to tell what they want to do to all the home owners that live here. It was a shame .

[countryboy]

Yes there was more than the library was able to get in. They moved it to the community center which it filled up. The 7(seven) that is trying to incorporate was not there to tell what they want to do to all the home owners that live here. It was a shame .


So if these 7 didnt show up. Who presented facts for or against? Or did everone just leave and go home??. Also how many who actually showed up to hear the facts want to incorporate?

[Doublehorn]

Yes there was more than the library was able to get in. They moved it to the community center which it filled up. The 7(seven) that is trying to incorporate was not there to tell what they want to do to all the home owners that live here. It was a shame .


First off, despite what I stated in earlier posts - I chickened out and didnt even go to the meeting. :o BTW, I am not one of the proponents to incorporation - for the record.....

Anyway, my neighbor did go and he basically confirmed everything that cwolf stated - which is a shame.

My neighbor brought home some papers with dollar figures of "proposed" expenses and "proposed" tax revenues.....and from what I read on the papers (and what my neighbor stated) these figures dont add up. In addition, the figures seem to be stretching the realm of reality.

The expenses were a lot less than what a town the size of Granite Shoals spends. Now, that might be likely since Kingsland would probably have a lot less city employees and thus, less city vehicles.

Also, the tax income generated projected more than what has occurred so far in the last few years here. So it seems they are really being "optimistic" with sales tax figures.

Now, to me the bottom line is that those that are the leaders in this effort really need to explain this.

I also was told by my neighbor that lots of questions asked by the "locals" were left unanswered.

My question was & still is: "Who was in charge of this meeting and who generated these figures?"

I want to find a good reason to support incorporation, but it sounds as if I dont have a good reason - so far.

BTW, my neighbor promised that he would make copies of all the paperwork for me so I can have this stuff in my hand. I would hope there would be another meeting.....maybe I wont be lazy the next time......:o

[twain]

Richard Goertz who was named as the person who put together the proposed optimistic unreal budget was at the Library. But he did not make the trip to the Community Center because he thought the crowd was too hostile -- that's what the crowd was told after they arrived at the Community Center. I do not know the couple who hosted the event, but she had done her research comparing line for line in the budget items with what other towns nearby are spending and taking in and the figures in Goertz's budget were unreal and would in no way work unless there were some property tax increases. However, Goertz told someone at the Library that the budget had been "revised" -- but did not reveal how it was "revised." The budget proposal as written and handed out at the library is what has been presented to the Llano County judge. It was a con job. No way around it. What a bunch of cowards the "Say Yes" map drawers and budget writers appeared to be by not being able to come forward and explain their points of view and reasons to the public who gathered to hear the reasons behind the plotting and secrecy. There was enough law enforcement there to have protected them from mob behavior.

"You are a coward when you even seem to have backed down from a thing you openly set out to do." - Mark Twain's Notebook

[Bentley]

Well, what a disappointment. I thought this would have been a meeting with officials there from the Water Department, KMUD, County or any other authority to be involved. It sounds as though it might just be a few people in the YES group.

[Bentley]

My thought is that if this group of Say Yes was putting something out there that is going to benefit the whole community, then they would have had a presentation for us to make an educated decision. It must be something that is only going to benefit a few and not the community. Just my thoughts.

[cwolfington]

10. If I have questions concerning the incorporation, how can I get answers?
Please send an email to: info@sayyestokingsland.com

[Chief_USA]

The article in the Llano Journal says the yes group didnot sponsor the meeting, but in the intervening week they, to my knowledge, made no effort to disclaim it. The article seems to me to be some more "Obama Care" that people are trying to foist off on us. I would think, if Wayne Brascom wants to remain County Judge he would tell the yes crowd to grow up and quit trying to bamboozle the electorate.

[freedom]

We can only hope to vote this down. Bad idea brought about by a select few. Anyone who thinks our taxes will not go up is dreaming.

[Bentley]

We can only hope to vote this down. Bad idea brought about by a select few. Anyone who thinks our taxes will not go up is dreaming.

Freedom, you might be right this could be a bad idea, however, I still haven't heard what the benefits are. My original post was to get the Pros and Cons, so far nothing.

I would say I am just as bad as they are, if I am disagreeing to it before I have even heard what their plan is. So far, I like the way things are in Kingsland and see no reason for change, but they should at least give us their reason for wanting the change. If it only benefits a few and not the whole community then I say no. My concerns rose when I heard that it was to help clean up the community, however, then I heard that the incorporated boundaries didn't include Skyline Dr., Airline Dr. and other area. So if they would put it out there for everyone to make up their own minds that would be a good thing. Just don't try the "Obama Care" tactic and try to hide certain things in their proposal. What are their intensions???

[sdann03]

I will be glad to email information to anyone interested. I tried to attached them, but couldn't get them to attach. There are two documents I can provide: The handout of the draft budget submitted to Judge Brascom (which has not been revised according to Steve Fraser's Letter to the Editor in Wednesday's paper and boundary map; and the Meeting Agenda with the budget comparisons and all the questions to be asked of the panel.

It was very disappointing that they chose not to show up.

My email is tnw.sjc@gmail.com.

[joeedoee]

A small group of People in Kingsland are pushing for incorporation. They consist mostly members of the Chamber of Commerce and a few local builders / developers. They were invited to attend a meeting on the 23rd of Aug. to present the facts and considerations. 4 members of the Incorp. group were invited weeks ago, 3 were "Out of Town" and the 4th person showed up, took a look at the crowd and left without speaking to the group. About 300 folks showed up at the library. The meeting was relocated to the Comm. Center as the library would not hold everyone. The Sect / Treasurer of the "Say Yes to Kingsland committe" is the Same Person who is the Sect / Treasure for the Kingsland Chamber of Commerce. Google their web site and you can get the Photo and Names. LLano County would like very much to "dump" the Kingsland area, as this area is growing and becoming a Voting powerhouse. While LLano City is in Decline. Sure the Kingsland Area is consuming LLano County resources, But be informed they are Paying a goodly Chunk of LLano Tax revenue.
LLano City is in decline.
If incorporated, Your county service and support would go to about 10%, While you
will continue to pay 100% taxes to the County. Add the City Taxes on top of this and it's a Lose, Lose. at this point. Developers want a City, because the City can Pay them in full for the costs putting in Roads, Water, Sewer, etc. in their Sub-Divisions.
Add value to these sub-divisions at the Expense of the all the citizens of a city.
Stay Alert, A small goup is quietly working to farther their interests on the Tax payers of the Kingsland Area.

[Caretaker]

The recent decision by the Judge to let this be on the ballot is fair but I find it interesting that the 109 signatures collected was dow graded to 83 legit ones.. I would also question the amount of folks actually living in the area. They said there were 5019. Where did those figures come from and are they accurate.. IMO the group that wants incorporation is probably wishing for a low and expected voter turnout and hoping they have a 51% yes.

[Bentley]

You said the Judge has allowed the vote be on the ballot, is that in November? It is for everyone in Llano County to vote or just residents in Kingsland?

[Caretaker]

You said the Judge has allowed the vote be on the ballot, is that in November? It is for everyone in Llano County to vote or just residents in Kingsland?


The November 8 election. The only ones who can vote on it are those who live in the proposed area and are registered to vote as a resident of in that area. There will a few that will fall just outside what the map shows.

[anony]

I must have missed the Map discussion. Anyone have an url to it or directions to find it? thanks

[Doublehorn]

I must have missed the Map discussion. Anyone have an url to it or directions to find it? thanks


check this link out and I think you should be able to locate a map of the proposed incorporation in the upper right side of their website.

http://www.sayyestokingsland.com/

[retiree]

I did check out their website last week and posted a question -- What are the immediate benefits to a retired person on a fixed income of voting Yes to incorporation? And also what the immediate costs would be? About 7 days later and still no reply from anyone who runs that Say Yes website. I guess their silence speaks for itself. If this was going to be a great deal for retirees, the group would have no trouble selling it to the community. I guess the trouble speaks for itself as well.

[countryboy]

I did check out their website last week and posted a question -- What are the immediate benefits to a retired person on a fixed income of voting Yes to incorporation? And also what the immediate costs would be? About 7 days later and still no reply from anyone who runs that Say Yes website. I guess their silence speaks for itself. If this was going to be a great deal for retirees, the group would have no trouble selling it to the community. I guess the trouble speaks for itself as well.

I wouldnt worry to much about this passing.. I think the long timers are smart enough to know when the shineola is getting to slick and arent foolish enough to take a slide in it.

[sdann03]

For those of you opposed to the incorporation effort, PLEASE DO NOT ASSUME it will not pass. It is crucial that everyone go to the polls and vote. The FAQ's on their website are very interesting. Everyone should take a look at them.

I am not sure what year's budgets they were looking at for their one page budget, but they are way off on their numbers, both for revenue & expenses. I have a compulation of the numbers from Burnet, Llano & Granite Shoals budgets, etc., if anyone is interested. Email me @ tnw.sjc@gmail.com. All the numbers on my compulation can be verified by looking up the appropriate budgets online.

This will do nothing but add fees to our bills (trash, sewer, telephone, electric, cable, etc.) in the form of franchise fees & a city property tax will have to be levied. There is no way you can run a city on $872,000 - $1 mil. If you do your own research, you'll find that there is no grant money available because the majority of governmental entities are all struggling right now (from the federal to state to county to city).

I have done research on this issue and IMHO, it will add another layer of government that we all have to pay for with very little benefit, if any, gained from it. There are already state laws on the books that can be enforced to clean up Kingsland.

[retiree]

If their main concerns are "cleaning up Kingsland" -- why not do the research, look up the land owners of the offending eyesores on the property tax rolls which are online at the Llano Appraisal District website and publish the names. I looked up some of the addresses of the owners of those tracts of land which seem to be the worst offenders. You might be surprised at who owns them. If the realtors and land developers are the biggest supporters of incorporation, why don't they clean up their own mess, buy out those tracts of land, and develop them and leave the poor old tax payer out of the equation. Oh, I forgot, the realtor and developer get some things done for free if a city taxpayer is helping pave streets, run water, sewer, electricity, cable, etc. to the developers' projects.

[Bentley]

Is this a rumor or true, on the ballot if you do not vote for it or against it, then that's an automatic YES vote?

[Caretaker]

Is this a rumor or true, on the ballot if you do not vote for it or against it, then that's an automatic YES vote?.


That must be a rumor. How many elections have ever been decided that way exception being maybe PEC. (I think they allow voting by proxy)The Say yes bunch cannot tell anyone who decides not to vote that there would be a Yes By proxy if they did not cast a vote for or against..I would tell anyone who is against this to make sure they vote. Just to be on the safe side.. Better Yet call The DA or County Judge and ask them.Let them Know that you wont put up with that kinda BS.

[retiree]

Is Steve Fraser, head of the Say Yes bunch, related to Troy Fraser, the state Senator from Horseshoe Bay?

[sdann03]

Yes, he is.

[retiree]

Fraser family -- Brothers, cousins, father/son? Would some investigation of investment companies who have interest in Kingsland real estate and who stand to gain big $$ from additional city taxes levied on the common folk yield some very interesting results? People tend to vote for something that benefits them financially and against what hurts them financially. The picture is becoming clearer as to exactly who stands to gain what.

[Bentley]

Yes, he is.

I Googled their names, it brings up a company in Big Spings named Fraser Industries looks like they are owners. I googled those names and it brings up interesting information. Are they the YES to Kingsland?

[countryboy]

[QUOTE=retiree;12126]Fraser family -- Brothers, cousins, father/son? Would some investigation of investment companies who have interest in Kingsland real estate and who stand to gain big $$ from additional city taxes levied on the common folk yield some very interesting results? People tend to vote for something that benefits them financially and against what hurts them financially. The picture is becoming clearer as to exactly who stands to gain what.[/QUOtE


They very well could be related. Try doing a geneology search.That may help in finding out. I find it interesting that Steve Fraser owns property in Kingsland with a taxable value of 1,196,260 and Senator Fraser has a property in HSB with a taxable value of 1,849,830.. Guess wealth does run in familys sometimes. The Say Yes group would,nt be trying to get any favors now would they. . Sounds very fishy to me

[retiree]

Also very interesting is that one of longest list of properties owned in the Royal Oaks subdivision -- the area NOT included in the proposed incorporation map -- about 42 properties are owned by a group doing business as A & M HERITAGE HOLDINGS LTD. Anyone have any ideas who is behind that group of investors? So .... if an investment company owns a lot of real estate in a poor section of town and that is the section SAY YES supporters wants to really clean up without actually including it on the incorp. map -- something doesn't smell right.

[retiree]

OK, countryboy -- I ran the genealogy search. Troy and Ronald Stephen Fraser are brothers. Troy, b. in 1949. Little brother Steve born in 1955. Both born in Taylor County. Same Mom and Dad. This little puzzle is really coming together, isn't it.

[Webmaster]

Folks - keep this on topic of the pros and cons of Kingsland Incorporation or this topic will be shut down. Stop with all the conspiracy theories and innuendos.

[cwolfington]

This is getting to hard to look at is there another way to start a new post. I think we need to keep everone up todate as this is the only news that is gettin out to the public.

[Chief_USA]

Of course, the areas not immediately incorporated will be annexed when the city realizes it need a lot more money than they say. Then it will be open season on every thing between the ridge lines. This is being pushed by a lot of people in the background, real estate agents, lawyers, MF editors, newly arrived property owners, etc. There are a number of people who have expensive properties on the lake who have there properties homesteaded because the taxes are considerably cheaper than their city properties. Also police can only protect your property after the fact.

[countryboy]

This is getting to hard to look at is there another way to start a new post. I think we need to keep everone up todate as this is the only news that is gettin out to the public.


You could start a new thread but I believe the moderators would prefer not to have more then one and multiple threads would be redundant..

[countryboy]

Of course, the areas not immediately incorporated will be annexed when the city realizes it need a lot more money than they say. Then it will be open season on every thing between the ridge lines. This is being pushed by a lot of people in the background, real estate agents, lawyers, MF editors, newly arrived property owners, etc. There are a number of people who have expensive properties on the lake who have there properties homesteaded because the taxes are considerably cheaper than their city properties. Also police can only protect your property after the fact.



Well put Chief-USA.. Its the ones behind the scenes that you dont see that push for this stuff and they count on folks not paying attention.. And The MFs editors always push their views.Every Weekend edition they put in their 0.2 cents.

[twain]

Maybe some editor or writer hungry for a Pulitzer prize would cover all angles of incorporation -- how the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Look what Austin American did to the PEC.

[Caretaker]

Maybe some editor or writer hungry for a Pulitzer prize would cover all angles of incorporation -- how the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Look what Austin American did to the PEC.

The Tribune did an opion piece about the subject but it was not a pro/con editoral. It was all about how they think it should be incorporated.. The article was not pulitzer material to say the least.

[Webmaster]

If this is about wanting additional police protection, municipal utility districts (MUDs) can have police departments. This is how Horseshoe Bay had police protection for so many years before they incorporated.

[Doublehorn]

Maybe some editor or writer hungry for a Pulitzer prize would cover all angles of incorporation -- how the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Look what Austin American did to the PEC.

I presume you aren't making some sorta assumption that the rich are getting richer off the poor....
We are not rich...and we arent suffering cuz of any rich person(s) getting richer.......

[twain]

As income levels fall, taxes become a higher and higher proportion of a lower income bracket. When taxes are used to improve neighborhoods being developed by investors, the richer income bracket investors get richer. Do you see a low income bracket resident begging folks to vote yes to incorporation? Dig deeper and ask the Vote Yes pushers if they have a plan to include city representation equally across both poor and wealthy neighborhoods. Chances are they will rule out any mention of single member districts in city representation and go for "at large" city council representation. This means residents on one street or neighborhood could control the entire city. Add to this the fact that city councils have the power to annex and to issue "bonds of obligation" which do not even require voter approval and you are playing with dynamite.

"The wronger a conspiracy, the better it is."
- Tom Sawyer's Conspiracy

[Chief_USA]

Does anyone know who the members of the "Say Yes To Kingsland" committee Are? I went online to find the members, but they don't seem to want to own up to membership. All kinds of propaganda, but no member list.

[Doublehorn]

Does anyone know who the members of the "Say Yes To Kingsland" committee Are? I went online to find the members, but they don't seem to want to own up to membership. All kinds of propaganda, but no member list.

I searched for the insert we got in our Picayune a couple of weeks ago, but I guess it got tossed already. It had about 5 or 6 names on it.

My only suggestion is to call Steve Fraser and ask him.....:rolleyes:

[retiree]

Check with allwhois.com to see who owns domain names and you will come up with this:

Domain Name.......... sayyestokingsland.com
Creation Date........ 2011-06-21
Registration Date.... 2011-06-21
Expiry Date.......... 2012-06-21
Organisation Name.... Vern Magnuson

Google shows Vern Magnuson is head of the Kingsland Chamber of Commerce.

[cwolfington]

This is what I found
Domain Name.......... sayyestokingsland.com
Creation Date........ 2011-06-21
Registration Date.... 2011-06-21
Expiry Date.......... 2012-06-21
Organisation Name.... Vern Magnuson
Organisation Address. PO Box 61359
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. Sunnyvale
Organisation Address. 94088
Organisation Address. CA
Organisation Address. US

[Peaches]

Apparently, they are NOT talking about providing a new police force for Kingsland (note the * that indicates they intend to contract with Llano County for Law Enforcement and Dispatch services). The following was copied from their web site...the budget seems unrealistic to me.

They are not going to be able to incorporate without some form of property tax. In order for this to benefit the community, they would need to plan some infrastructure in order to encourage new business growth. In order to pay for new infrastructure the new city would have to pass some bonds, and those bonds would probably have to be backed by projected property tax revenues. Property taxes a a fairly good guarantee that the bonds can be paid off. Sales Tax revenues can be too unstable to meet that needed guarantee.

Former Llano County Pct. 3 Commissioner Duane Stueven laid out this plan more than 6 years ago.

Here's the proposed budget:


Say "Yes" to Kingsland
Annual City Budget—Range of Expense Possibilities
After Kingsland Can Pay for Services
(Assumes sales/franchise tax implementation and job positions filled)
DRAFT 8/19/2011
Annual Revenue
Sales Tax $582,000
Franchise Fees (Utilities) 175,000
Building Permits 75,000
Municipal Court Fees 40,000
Total Estimated Revenue Range $872,000-$1,000,000
Annual Operating Expenses
Salaries
Police (3 shifts; 2/shift)* $400,000
Dispatch* 14,000
Animal Control* 8,000
Planning/Zoning (2)** 120,000
Administrative Staff (4) 120,000
Municipal Court *** 5,000
Street Maintenance* 175,000
Office Rental/Utilities 18,000
Office Supplies 12,000
Total Operating Expense Range $872,000-$1,000,000
Capital Expenses
Office/Computer Equipment $100,000
Office Remodel 25,000
Total Capital Expenses $175,000
Contingency Reserve $250,000
* Contract with Llano County.
** Includes mileage allowance for use of personal vehicles.
*** Volunteer court judge-no salary; administrative expenses only

[sdann03]

These are the names mentioned in the April 12th minutes of their meeting: Steve Fraser, Richard Goertz, Mary Ann Hefner, Sharon Maki, Mark Chapman, Chuck LaCallade, Sonya ???? (realtor).

BTW: The April 12th minutes are very telling. It gives you a pretty good idea of the mentality of those behind the movement. It's their minutes that they put in writing. I attended the July 7th meeting. That was pretty telling as well.

[Chief_USA]

The realtor is Sonya Powers of Kingsland Realestate, She and her husband own property in Lakewood Forest III.

[retiree]

Does anyone know if the Say Yes Committee had their planned Sept. 6 private Committee Planning meeting last night? Did anyone go?

[Chief_USA]

I see in the Llano Journal they are calling out the smoke and mirrors group. I the county commissioners were doing the jobs they were elected to do a lot of the so called eyesores wouldn't exist and if more of the do nothing sitting around drinking coffee got out more a lot of the problems would solve themselves. I just spent a couple of days driving down 281 to SA. I'm sure the folks in Johnson City and Blanco would enjoy having the economy we have with out the city administrations. Let's hope the populace is not dazzled by the smoke, mirrors and softshoes we'll be seeing

[Caretaker]

I see in the Llano Journal they are calling out the smoke and mirrors group. I the county commissioners were doing the jobs they were elected to do a lot of the so called eyesores wouldn't exist and if more of the do nothing sitting around drinking coffee got out more a lot of the problems would solve themselves. I just spent a couple of days driving down 281 to SA. I'm sure the folks in Johnson City and Blanco would enjoy having the economy we have with out the city administrations. Let's hope the populace is not dazzled by the smoke, mirrors and softshoes we'll be seeing

Have you noticed the propaganda pieces in the papers on why they need to incorporate..All smoke and mirrors to fool the residents (who wanted to leave big city life) and suck them back into more govermental BS.

[sdann03]

Just wanted everyone to know that the pictures in the Llano County Journal were taken on Midland Street, which is in Royal Oaks. Royal Oaks is not within the proposed boundary for the City of Kingsland. The properties have since been cleaned up according to Michael Freeman who wrote the story. Please note that the pictures were provided by Ron Moore. Now my question is this: If Kingsland is such a dump, why didn't they use some current pictures from someplace within the proposed incorporation boundaries?

[twain]

I have not read all the quotes attributed to Ron Moore in the newspaper but I understand the gist of it was that he was responsible for investigating environmental violations in Kingsland and that he could clean it up if he had a few more staff people. My question is: wouldn't it be a lot less expensive to add another staff assistant to work with Ron Moore rather than forcing Kingsland residents to contribute almost a million tax dollars (via incorporation) each year to the Llano county coffers plus more in the future via property taxes. Now how many staff persons did the Say Yes committee propose they needed to run a community already doing pretty darn well on their own as is?

"When politics enter into municipal government, nothing resulting therefrom in the way of crimes and infamies is then incredible. It actually enables one to accept and believe the impossible."

[Bentley]

I read the article from The Highlander with the photo and the last line of the article has a website you can go to get a form to file a complaint about an area that needs to be cleaned up. I was told that is the leverage "SAY YES" would like to have on record so they can show how many complaints the county received. Is it so?

[homeinkingsland]

No effort has been made by the "Say Yes to Kingsland” group to tell us how they believe our community will benefit from incorporation. Appearances may be incorrect, but it appears there was an effort made to place this on the ballot without community input or knowledge. If it is such a great idea why not notify the community and let all participate in the decision making process?



I can understand, and agree that Kingsland should be cleaned up-however the areas most in need are not included in the map and we already have ordinances in place that are not being enforced. More laws won't make it happen, the community needs to take responsibility for itself and clean up. Nearby incorporated cities are not any cleaner now than they were before, notably because they too chose not to incorporate their less desirable neighborhoods.

Many of us chose an unincorporated community deliberately, and do not wish to add another layer of useless government to our lives, there are plenty of incorporated cities nearby, Granite Shoals, Cottonwood Shores, Marble Falls, Highland Haven, The City of Burnet, The City of Llano, Meadowlakes and Horseshoe Bay are all incorporated. If folks wish to live in an incorporated area, those nearby cities are all available.
Taxes will be raised-probably 2% added to the sales tax and it appears incorporated cities can add up to $1.50 / $100.00 to property taxes without a vote or consent of the people. That is a significant burden with little evidence of any great return on the investment.

Kingsland has lost many businesses recently, most notably Storm's, Duckwall's and Radio Shack. How will incorporation make Kingsland a more viable business climate? As mentioned at the Town Hall meeting-One of the largest corporations in the world-Wal-Mart- is headquartered in an unincorporated city, Bentonville, AR. What businesses have committed to moving to Kingsland if we do incorporate and what businesses have been approached to locate here, but refused due to the fact we are unincorporated?
Many properties are not included in the incorporation map at this time, but may be annexed later. All the property owners in those areas are being disenfranchised. We do not get to vote on incorporation but may be subject to all the effects of incorporation later.


I have sent this list of questions to info@sayyestokingsland.com and will post their reply if I receive one.

[homeinkingsland]

Those five were Mark Chapman, Steve Fraser, Richard Goertz, Mary Hefner and Chuck LaCallade

[sdann03]

FYI: The "Why Say Yes to Kingsland Website" will be published on Wednesday evening. There is a Pros & Cons page, Blog, Poll, April 12th minutes, Budget Compilations, etc. I am waiting for the Say Yes to Kingsland group's Pros before publishing the site. Please make note of the webite address and check in on Thursday. It's www.whysayyestokingsland.weebly.com (http://www.whysayyestokingsland.weebly.com).

[Chief_USA]

Several years ago the Legislature gave incorporated cities the right to control the "Extra Territorial Jurisdiction" of unincrorporated areas within a 5 mile radius of their city limits.

[homeinkingsland]

As promised, here is the response from the Say Yes group to my email, as well as my return email to them. I still don't have answers to most of my questions-If anyone can answer the questions, please do!! I have removed my name and email address for privacy reasons. Thanks.


Dear Neighbors in Kingsland,

Thank you for your response. I have read the FAQs on your website. If and when answers to the specific questions asked are provided I will read them as well. At this time the answers provided do not address several of the questions I asked you to answer in my email. Please note that the questions were intended to address specific issues. I am making every effort to get a balanced picture of the pros and cons of incorporation, but sadly it appears that the answers are simply not there. If you could please review the actual questions and answer them I would appreciate it.

Respectfully,





-------Original Message-------

From: info@kigsland.com (info@sayyestokingsland.com)
Date: 09/13/11 21:05:37
To:
Subject: Re: Questions


We appreciate your concerns. New Frequently Asked Questions were added to our website today that should answer many of your questions. www.sayyestokingsland.com (http://www.sayyestokingsland.com/) We advocate limited government, but not zero government. Please look carefully at the tax claims be tossed about. If incorporation is approved, an elected city council will make decisions on taxes and fees. These will be fellow citizens who pay taxes here too. Our best protection is to stay involved and informed about local issues.
There is work being done to offer a well moderated community meeting in early October where more information will be available for voters to consider. An annoucement will be made when the arrangements are finalized.

Your Neighbors in Kingsland

--- On Mon, 9/12/11,


From:
Subject: Questions
To: info@sayyestokingsland.com
Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 7:48 AM

My concerns about incorporation include the following:



1.No effort has been made by the "Say Yes to Kingsland” group to tell us how they believe our community will benefit from incorporation. Appearances may be incorrect, but it appears there was an effort made to place this on the ballot without community input or knowledge. If it is such a great idea why not notify the community and let all participate in the decision making process?

2. I can understand, and agree that Kingsland should be cleaned up-however the areas most in need are not included in the map and we already have ordinances in place that are not being enforced. More laws won't make it happen, the community needs to take responsibility for itself and clean up. Nearby incorporated cities (Granite Shoals, Cottonwood, etc.) are not any cleaner now than they were before, notably because they too chose not to incorporate their less desirable neighborhoods.

3.Many of us chose an unincorporated community deliberately, and do not wish to add another layer of government to our lives, there are plenty of incorporated cities nearby, Granite Shoals, Cottonwood Shores, Marble Falls, Highland Haven, The City of Burnet, The City of Llano, Meadowlakes and Horseshoe Bay are all incorporated. If folks wish to live in an incorporated area, those nearby cities are all available.

4.Taxes will be raised-probably 2% added to the sales tax and it appears incorporated cities can add up to $1.50 / $100.00 to property taxes without a vote or consent of the people. That is a significant burden with little evidence of any great return on the investment. Kingsland has lost many businesses recently, most notably Storm's, Duckwall's and Radio Shack. How will incorporation make Kingsland a more viable business climate?

5.As mentioned at the Town Hall meeting-One of the largest corporations in the world-Wal-Mart- is headquartered in an unincorporated city, Bentonville, AR. What businesses have committed to moving to Kingsland if we do incorporate and what businesses have been approached to locate here, but refused due to the fact we are unincorporated?

6.Many properties are not included in the incorporation map at this time, but may be annexed later. All the property owners in those areas are being disenfranchised. We do not get to vote on incorporation but may be subject to all the effects of incorporation later.


I would appreciate it if someone would address these concerns. Thank you.

Respectfully,

[retiree]

There was a new page of answers added to the Say Yes website yesterday that is a little bit more forthcoming than the email you received: http://www.sayyestokingsland.com/files/FAQS_9-13-11.pdf

The most revealing thing I found in it is that they are blaming a lot of the reasons for incorporation on Llano County which they say has 3 out of 4 commissioners who don't represent Kingsland. If Kingsland residents are paying the majority of Llano County taxes, they aren't getting the majority of the services because the Llano county judge and one commissioner can't make it happen. It is also revealing that their answers do indicate they have made errors in their calculated budget presented to the Llano county judge. Even more revealing is how they make no mention of who will write a city charter allocating how city council will be elected -- at large or in single member districts.

You are lucky to get as much of a response to your questions. I am still waiting to hear from them on how incorporation would immediately benefit a retired person on a fixed income and what the immediate costs would be. They apparently just hate to admit there will be immediate costs and no immediate benefits, maybe ever.

[cwolfington]

I would,like to say I had a hard time on the sayyestokingsland site as I did not see the red check mark at firsr' Its on the right side. thanks Chuck

[Reapp]

Several years ago the Legislature gave incorporated cities the right to control the "Extra Territorial Jurisdiction" of unincrorporated areas within a 5 mile radius of their city limits.

It is my understanding that it is based on the city's population, ie: bigger cities are allowed to have more ETJ under their control - up to 5 miles. In other words, a small city would be limited to 1/2 mile to 1 mile depending.. Here is the first link I found: http://law.justia.com/codes/texas/2009/local-government-code/title-2-organization-of-municipal-government/chapter-42-extraterritorial-jurisdiction-of-municipalities/

[sdann03]

Please go to www.whysayyestokingsland.weebly.com (http://www.whysayyestokingsland.weebly.com) for more information about the incorporation.

[homeinkingsland]

There was a new page of answers added to the Say Yes website yesterday that is a little bit more forthcoming than the email you received: http://www.sayyestokingsland.com/files/FAQS_9-13-11.pdf

The most revealing thing I found in it is that they are blaming a lot of the reasons for incorporation on Llano County which they say has 3 out of 4 commissioners who don't represent Kingsland. If Kingsland residents are paying the majority of Llano County taxes, they aren't getting the majority of the services because the Llano county judge and one commissioner can't make it happen. It is also revealing that their answers do indicate they have made errors in their calculated budget presented to the Llano county judge. Even more revealing is how they make no mention of who will write a city charter allocating how city council will be elected -- at large or in single member districts.

You are lucky to get as much of a response to your questions. I am still waiting to hear from them on how incorporation would immediately benefit a retired person on a fixed income and what the immediate costs would be. They apparently just hate to admit there will be immediate costs and no immediate benefits, maybe ever.


I appreciated the response, and I did go to their website looking for answers to my questions. So far I am not able to see how the benefits outweigh the negatives for anyone in the town, let alone retirees who are on a fixed income. The economy is such that, at this time, I see many additional burdens on the taxpayers with few benefits.

Please everyone-get out and vote and make sure that we all have a voice in the future of our town!

[sdann03]

Voter registration will be taking place at local banks in Kingsland. Please see the Voter Registration Info & Constitutional Amendments section at www.whysayyestokingsland.weebly.com (http://www.whysayyestokingsland.weebly.com).

The Secretary of State's office will be drafting the language for the ballot. As soon as the sample ballot is available, I will embed it into the website so that it can be printed off from there.

Shelly Comerford

[Bentley]

SayYES said Kingsland lost Duckwalls. Duckwalls closed all of their stores and kept their sister company, Alco, open. The Kingsland Duckwall was part of the companies restructure, according to their employee. It had nothing to do with Kingsland.

[Bentley]

Scott and White is building in Kingsland in 2012.

[Doublehorn]

Scott and White is building in Kingsland in 2012.

I read they are moving their clinic over towards First State Bank of Central Texas - on RR 2342 in Burnet County.

[homeinkingsland]

SayYES said Kingsland lost Duckwalls. Duckwalls closed all of their stores and kept their sister company, Alco, open. The Kingsland Duckwall was part of the companies restructure, according to their employee. It had nothing to do with Kingsland.
The question remains-how will incorporation make this a more viable business climate? What benefit will those tax increases bring to Kingsland? In order for a sales tax based effort to work there must be businesses to generate the sales tax revenues. It does not matter why those businesses left, we still lose the sales tax revenue they produced.

[homeinkingsland]

Scott and White is building in Kingsland in 2012.
Scott and White is building a new clinic which is great, but that is an existing business, and it also does not generate sales tax revenues. By the way-apparently even though Scott and White is a huge "Corporation", they will be here, whether or not Kingsland incorporates.

[Chief_USA]

“We here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom; and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.” Abraham Lincoln

The reason for the quote was to stop a group of people from deciding what was best for them, just as the "Say Yes To Kingsland" are trying to decide what is best for us.

[Belle]

What pray tell are the State Laws that would allow a cleanup?

Granite Shoals and Marble Falls need to know.

[shugsshack]

I live on Anson which is off Skyline and I want to be included in the the area. I think the map is all wrong if they are wanting to clean up Kingsland. The area (which is not in the map) is what needs to be cleaned up! If my area is not included than why have it. Thank you

[retiree]

What pray tell are the State Laws that would allow a cleanup?

Granite Shoals and Marble Falls need to know.

I gather that you feel city incorporation hasn't helped clean up these small towns.

[homeinkingsland]

I gather that you feel city incorporation hasn't helped clean up these small towns.

Here is a link to the Burnet county statute regarding litter and waste. Enforcement of these statutes depends upon location and type of problem.
http://www.burnetcountytexas.org/users/0005/docs/Litter.pdf

[sdann03]

Belle, if you go to www.whysayyestokingsland.weebly.com (http://www.whysayyestokingsland.weebly.com) and look under the Pros and Cons of Incorporation, you will find the link to the form that needs to be filed with the JP's office for the complaint. There have actually been any number of properties that have been cleaned up using this method.

[Bentley]

Someone stated in previous thread that Scott &White was building in Burnet County Next to First State Bank. I was under the impression that the county line was at the small bridge next to Storms. If so wouldn't S&W be in Llano Cnty?

[Doublehorn]

Someone stated in previous thread that Scott &White was building in Burnet County Next to First State Bank. I was under the impression that the county line was at the small bridge next to Storms. If so wouldn't S&W be in Llano Cnty?

From what I understand, the S&W Clinic currently located on RR1431 next to the Kingsland Fitness Center, will relocate to a new building on RR2342 near the First State Bank of Central Texas.

That location would place it in Burnet County.

[Bentley]

From what I understand, the S&W Clinic currently located on RR1431 next to the Kingsland Fitness Center, will relocate to a new building on RR2342 near the First State Bank of Central Texas.

That location would place it in Burnet County.

I called 911 from cell one day & Llano dispatch told me anything east of Storms building was Burnet County. Do you know where the line is? Thanks

[Doublehorn]

I called 911 from cell one day & Llano dispatch told me anything east of Storms building was Burnet County. Do you know where the line is? Thanks

The Colorado River is the boundary line between Llano & Burnet Counties. The sign marking the county boundary is on the east side of the Colorado River as you travel west on RR 1431.

[Bentley]

Thanks, so The Legends, Log country Cove, etc are in Burnet County.

[Doublehorn]

Thanks, so The Legends, Log country Cove, etc are in Burnet County.

Yes, that is correct.

[cwolfington]

I was told at the subway that a meeting was set for Oct. and they didn't know the location or the date.
does anyone else know about it. Thanks Chuck

[homeinkingsland]

I was told at the subway that a meeting was set for Oct. and they didn't know the location or the date.
does anyone else know about it. Thanks Chuck
Just Say Yes is supposed to have a meeting 10/11/2011 at the community center

[sdann03]

I was told at the subway that a meeting was set for Oct. and they didn't know the location or the date.
does anyone else know about it. Thanks Chuck
The meeting starts at 6:30 and is at the Community Center. I'll put my website on here again for those who haven't seen it. It has the information for their meeting and the planning meeting this Monday night at the Kingsland Library. Go to www.KeepKingslandFree.com (http://www.KeepKingslandFree.com) and it will redirect you to the Why Say Yes to Kingsland Website. There is lots of good information on there and a poll as well.

[Caretaker]

The meeting starts at 6:30 and is at the Community Center. I'll put my website on here again for those who haven't seen it. It has the information for their meeting and the planning meeting this Monday night at the Kingsland Library. Go to www.KeepKingslandFree.com (http://www.KeepKingslandFree.com) and it will redirect you to the Why Say Yes to Kingsland Website. There is lots of good information on there and a poll as well.

You know what I find the most interesting with the sayyes group is the hypocracy on the web page. All the famous quotes from our Founding Fathers about the dangers of goverment. Yet they want more goverment.. Could it be the just dont understand those quotes??

[retiree]

You know what I find the most interesting with the sayyes group is the hypocracy on the web page. All the famous quotes from our Founding Fathers about the dangers of goverment. Yet they want more goverment.. Could it be the just dont understand those quotes??

That page is not sponsoered by the say yes group. That web page with the quotes from our Founding Fathers is sponsored by the Keep Kingsland Free supporters -- the "WHY Say Yes" group.

[sdann03]

You know what I find the most interesting with the sayyes group is the hypocracy on the web page. All the famous quotes from our Founding Fathers about the dangers of goverment. Yet they want more goverment.. Could it be the just dont understand those quotes??
Dear Caretaker, I wanted you to hear from the horses mouth that the Why Say Yes To Kingsland website is not a pro website. I set it up and put information on there so people could be informed about the issue(s). I am absolutely not pro incorporation. As a matter of fact, I am having a planning meeting this evening at the Kingsland Library at 6:30 to discuss the signs we want to have made, get out the vote, etc. Please feel free to attend the meeting as we need all the help we can get to get people to the polls.
Shelly Comerford

[cfe78639]

In today's political climate, I cannot believe that any sensible person would vote for a new layer of government with the power to tax. NO NEW TAXES

[sdann03]

In today's political climate, I cannot believe that any sensible person would vote for a new layer of government with the power to tax. NO NEW TAXES
What's even more amazing to me is that the people I know who are for the incorporation are complaining about money being tight and how high their taxes are already. I guess the real question is how much is the PROMISE of a clean Kingsland worth? Secondly, many that are for this because they want to clean up Kingsland don't even realize that the area that most needs it is not included.

[cwolfington]

one thing that I found out at the meeting was how they now know that you live inside the boundary is the bar code on your voters card.

[Doublehorn]

Yesterday, while driving on RR1431 near Ace Hdwe, I couldnt help but notice the vehicle in front of me sporting 2 bumper stickers - one being an "Obama-Biden" sticker and the other being a "Vote No" sticker.......

The "Vote No" sticker seemed relatively new, so I presume it dealt with the incorporation issue?


Am I missing something here or does the owner seem to have disjointed politics?

[sdann03]

What's even more disjointed is that most of the instigators and backers of the incorporation effort are conservative republicans. There is no party line drawn regarding this. It appears, from what I can tell, that it's about 75% against, 25% for.

[sdann03]

Retiree, thanks for your response to the post below on the blog of the WHY Say Yes site.

Can anyone else explain the thought process begind this line of thinking? "If Kingsland is not incorporated, how do you purpose to stop Wal-Mart or any other business from building anywhere they desire in Kingsland? The only way to be sure not to have certain busineses coming in to Kingsland is to have a say. Without incorporation we have no say. The only thing voting no will do for you is to ensure you that you will not have a say in what happens in Kingsland."

[cwolfington]

since when has anyone except the Mayor and city council has a say what is or not comming into a city

[Caretaker]

Retiree, thanks for your response to the post below on the blog of the WHY Say Yes site.

Can anyone else explain the thought process begind this line of thinking? "If Kingsland is not incorporated, how do you purpose to stop Wal-Mart or any other business from building anywhere they desire in Kingsland? The only way to be sure not to have certain busineses coming in to Kingsland is to have a say. Without incorporation we have no say. The only thing voting no will do for you is to ensure you that you will not have a say in what happens in Kingsland."

You know as well as I do that there is NO thinking behind that line of thinking..Walmart will pretty much go where they want to go. With or without the blessings of any city council.How many Mayors/Council members are Anti Job growth or Anti Growth in general?. Buisnesses will locate where they want and when they want to do so..
I looked at the poll on the website and it does look like 75% do not want Incorpration. maybe this time when it gets voted down the pro incorp yahoos will give up on the idea.

[sdann03]

This post comes from the KeepKingslandFree blog. It speaks volumes from where I stand.

"Just talking about incorporation makes me physically nauseous. Kingland is my home and where my heart is every day of the year, although I had to move from there in 1977. After my mother passed in 2000, I bought a home there so I could keep my roots there...and I WILL be back someday!! Since I'm not a full-time resident at this time, I won't be able to vote although I pay about $650 EVERY MONTH to have a home there. The town of 4,000 where I live in Oklahoma has recently hired a code enforcement officer and guess what? He's harrassing people about having grass clippings in the street, telling children that they can't play in the street, and ticketing people for not crossing in the crosswalks! Do you want that to happen to Kingsland?? Our country has already become a police state, telling you what you can & can't eat, how to raise your children, how to live your lives, etc. I beg you and PLEAD with you to please vote to KEEP KINGSLAND FREE!!! We don't need more laws and regulations there!!"

[Bentley]

I google Llano County, looked at their meeting agenda for the Sept. 26th meeting. This was #13 on the agenda:

Discussion and possible action shall occur regarding the following matters related to the 2011 Llano County Redistricting Project: 1) consideration, adjustment and adoption of final plan for new county election precincts(voting tabulation districts) pursuant to Chapter 42 of Texas Election Code, Section 5 of the federal voting Rigths Act and other authority; and 2) granting of authorization for the countys staff and legal counsel to submit said final plan to Texas Secretary of State and the United States Rights Division, for approval anad preclearence.

Does anyone know if this means and will it change anything related to who will vote on the incorporation?

[sdann03]

The redistricting of precincts will not change who gets to vote on the incorporation.

[Chief_USA]

There is a piece on FoxNews about a 10 year old $H girl who was directed to get rid of her chickens, that she had raised, cause her yard was less that the acre required. This is what we have to look forward to with incorporation. Some busy city official telling us hot to use our property. VOTE NO!!!

[cwolfington]

I think that the clean up in Kingsland is a forest. They want to elect a Mayor that will require all residents to remove Boats, trailers, RVs, golf carts,from our driveway and carports thats what they call cleaning up our town.

[homeinkingsland]

Not surprised but very disappointed by the meeting at the community center last night. The Just Say Yes group wants you to do exactly that. Just say yes and figure out what this really means later.
Per the answer given at the meeting-they won't be able to fund the new "City of Kingsland", unless the citizens of Kingsland vote for a 2 percent increase in the sales tax. A one percent tax is all that can be enacted without a vote. This would leave even their projected budget far short.
In order to avoid property tax hikes, a city charter would have to be written including a clause that states there would be no property tax hike. There is no proposed city charter yet. So the group proposes that you just vote yes and hope that a charter will have that language in it.
This is politics as usual, just vote yes, and worry about what that means later! I was undecided until last night. The lack of answers, lack of planning, and lack of transparency has decided this issue for me! VOTE NO-to more government, more taxes, and especially vote no to prevent this special interest group from controlling your life!

[sdann03]

Well said, homeinkingsland. You give me hope that facts do matter. THANK YOU!!!!!

I want to thank all who showed up and all who helped with the meeting last night. Great Job!!!! What puzzles me the most about this whole issue is that those who are for incorporation continue to say it can be done without property tax regardless of the facts you present showing the impossibility of their budget. They can’t see the forest for the trees. They continue to harp on the first couple of years of incorporation. What about after that? There is nothing any of us can say or show the followers of the Say YES group to get through to them. The only truth they can back up is the amount of taxable sales for the Kingsland area.

What's even more amazing to me is that Richard Goertz & Steve Fraser have no interest in being involved once it passes. For me, that just confirms that there is something in this for them that we won't know about unless the incorporation passes. Unfortunately, for those who believe them, it will be too late. Steve made it very plain that they have no interest in running for office. They know their budget is ridiculous and don’t want to take responsibility for the fallout once it’s too late.

All I can do is to continue my effort to get the facts into the hands of those who are not informed about what incorporation will truly mean. There are many, many more people out there who are against incorporation than showed up at the meeting. They presented nothing new and if last night was as strong a showing as they could muster, then we have nothing to worry about.

Government always grows, regardless of the economy, and always takes more of your money. If people refuse to see that, when it is all around them, then so be it.

Again, let's encourage voters to get to the polls and vote this down. Steve Fraser said himself that he didn't think it would come up again for a long time if it was defeated. Let's do everything we can to KeepKingslandFree and an economical place to live.

I have information packets, signs and buttons if anyone is interested. My email address is tnw.sjc@gmail.com.

Shelly Comerford

[homeinkingsland]

BTW-Steve Fraser has assured us all, at the meeting last night that he would not locate his pallet making business in an unincorporated city. That alone is enough reason to VOTE NO! Do you want an industrialized Kingsland?

[cwolfington]

Shelly I think You did a really good job. thanks for all you are doing and everyone else. Have a great day Chuck

[homeinkingsland]

I want to share a bit of wisdom from a gentleman I spoke to earlier today-"Since I am undecided about incorporation, I will be voting NO. There is no need to rush into this, it will be easier to take up this issue later than it will be to undo it afterward."

This made sense to me, on an issue this important we must take the time to do it right the first time, not just go ahead and vote for it and see what happens.

[cfe78639]

That' what Pelosi said about Obamacare, "We will have to pass it to find out whati s in ti:

[homeinkingsland]

Question-How would incorporation serve the needs and interests of Kingsland?

I have observed the following:
Granite Shoals is incorporated, and has been since 1966. There are still large sections of Granite Shoals that are run down, drugs are a problem, and businesses are not relocating there in droves. 1431 is covered with litter, there are many abandoned buildings, neighborhoods are declining, and drugs abound.

Granite Shoals is located on Lake LBJ, has beautiful waterfront, many lovely homes, and plenty of room for new businesses. As of right now, there are a couple of restaurants but there is no grocery store, there are no fine restaurants, no theaters, and no "large" businesses. Granite Shoals does not have Gatti's, Dairy Queen, Sonic, Subway, a pharmacy, a health clinic, a bank, a hardware store, or a Jr./Sr high school. It took nearly 45 years of incorporation to get a Dollar General.
Kingsland is located on Lake LBJ, has beautiful waterfront, many lovely homes, and plenty of room for new businesses. We have HEB, a few restaurants, finer dining at the Junction House. We have Gatti's, Dairy Queen, Sonic, Subway, 2 pharmacies, a Scott and White health clinic,at least 4 banks, an Ace hardware store, Dollar General, several private practice doctors and at least one dentist.

Based on these facts alone it appears that incorporation does not always improve a community, apparently sometimes it does nothing more than raise taxes and provide one more layer of government.

So why do we want, or need, to incorporate Kingsland? It doesn't look like incorporation has benefited Granite Shoals, and in fact comparatively, Kingsland is significantly better off!!!

[Bentley]

HOMEINKINGLAND, your statement above makes the most sense to me. I have wondered the same thing. Even Cottonwood Shores is incorporated, it does not guarantee clean up. I have asked residents of Granite Shoals what incorporation has done for them. The man I asked two weeks ago said, his water still taste bad, but they have a beautiful granite City Hall up on the top of the hill. Then he grinned and said they still have dirt roads in the majority of Granite Shoals, still have trash, still have billboards standing all along 1431 that don't have anything on them and are falling down. He said Kingsland is doing better without the incorporation, than they are doing with the incorporation. He suggested those that want incorporation should move to his neighborhood.

[Webmaster]

I have to speak up about Granite Shoals. If GS were NOT incorporated, things would be MUCH MUCH worse. A lot of the areas for which GS has gotten a bad rap were not even in the city until just recently - and there are many areas that are considered in GS that are not currently.

[Bentley]

Thanks, thats is good to know. Do you know if HWY 1431 was part of the city that just recently became incorporated?

[Caretaker]

I have to speak up about Granite Shoals. If GS were NOT incorporated, things would be MUCH MUCH worse. A lot of the areas for which GS has gotten a bad rap were not even in the city until just recently - and there are many areas that are considered in GS that are not currently.

That can only be an assumption or an opinion as to whether GS would be much much worse if it had not incorporated. Incorporation does make for a better life in all cases or ensure how clean things will get. All it usually does it mean more taxes.....

[Caretaker]

HOMEINKINGLAND, your statement above makes the most sense to me. I have wondered the same thing. Even Cottonwood Shores is incorporated, it does not guarantee clean up. I have asked residents of Granite Shoals what incorporation has done for them. The man I asked two weeks ago said, his water still taste bad, but they have a beautiful granite City Hall up on the top of the hill. Then he grinned and said they still have dirt roads in the majority of Granite Shoals, still have trash, still have billboards standing all along 1431 that don't have anything on them and are falling down. He said Kingsland is doing better without the incorporation, than they are doing with the incorporation. He suggested those that want incorporation should move to his neighborhood.

Those who want Kingsland to incorporate should think about moving. If they think incorporation will make their life better or make the city cleaner. Thats only assumptions on their part.. It may happen in parts of town but not all over. Look at MFs and cottonwood or even burnet. There are still run down homes and trashy lots in places.Most citys are that way and if folks would drive through and look they might realize it.

[homeinkingsland]

I have to speak up about Granite Shoals. If GS were NOT incorporated, things would be MUCH MUCH worse. A lot of the areas for which GS has gotten a bad rap were not even in the city until just recently - and there are many areas that are considered in GS that are not currently.

Please explain the basis for the statement "things would be MUCH MUCH worse"? Things are what they are, since they are incorporated, and have been for 45 years, there is no way to know how things would be if they were not incorporated.

Here is a link to the map provided by the City of Granite Shoals: http://www.graniteshoals.org/docs/citylimits.pdf. In looking at the map, I see that the most visible areas of Granite Shoals, along 1431 etc., are a mess. Some, not all, of the areas that have a "bad rap" are included in this map.

Like the "Say Yes to Kingsland" map, there are undesirable neighborhoods in the ETJ area, and those areas may be part of the "bad rap". However, the people who incorporated the city chose what to include in their incorporation area, just like it is being done in Kingsland. Their "Bad Rap" as you call it, is based on their entire community. Kingsland's "bad rap" will also include Royal Oaks and the Granite Shoals cabin sites area-regardless of the fact that those areas are not within the proposed city limits.

My point still remains that incorporation does not, in and of itself, improve anything. Incorporation does not clean up a town, or attract businesses. Businesses locate to areas where they see a market for the service or product they provide.

Apparently, Kingsland looks like a better place to bring a business than Granite Shoals.

[homeinkingsland]

HOMEINKINGLAND, your statement above makes the most sense to me. I have wondered the same thing. Even Cottonwood Shores is incorporated, it does not guarantee clean up. I have asked residents of Granite Shoals what incorporation has done for them. The man I asked two weeks ago said, his water still taste bad, but they have a beautiful granite City Hall up on the top of the hill. Then he grinned and said they still have dirt roads in the majority of Granite Shoals, still have trash, still have billboards standing all along 1431 that don't have anything on them and are falling down. He said Kingsland is doing better without the incorporation, than they are doing with the incorporation. He suggested those that want incorporation should move to his neighborhood.

Thanks Bentley. I have talked to many folks in GS who say the same thing. This incorporation effort has been painful, as have the efforts to incorporate Kingsland in the past.

"I'm from the government, and I'm here to help" is the scariest thing I've ever heard. Incorporation is just one more layer of "help". We the people need to take care of our own business. The government needs to get back to the Constitution and mind their business.

[homeinkingsland]

For those who prefer incorporated cities-just a reminder you can go live there. Why did you come to our town, and try to make it fit your mold? No one invited you, you chose to come here. If you do not love Kingsland - LEAVE IT! Check out the next place you move to more carefully, make sure it fits your needs. We like our town, and while it isn't perfect, your insulting, condescending attitude makes me wonder what brought you here in the first place.

BTW-I heard from several that they came for the Colorado River, in case you haven't noticed, it is a very long river, there are other towns, some of which are nearby and incorporated. Perhaps those towns would suit you better...

[Doublehorn]

For those who prefer incorporated cities-just a reminder you can go live there. Why did you come to our town, and try to make it fit your mold? No one invited you, you chose to come here. If you do not love Kingsland - LEAVE IT! Check out the next place you move to more carefully, make sure it fits your needs. We like our town, and while it isn't perfect, your insulting, condescending attitude makes me wonder what brought you here in the first place.

BTW-I heard from several that they came for the Colorado River, in case you haven't noticed, it is a very long river, there are other towns, some of which are nearby and incorporated. Perhaps those towns would suit you better...



Let's see...if you support incorporation, then get the hell outta town & move elsewhere?

Geeez......It sounds like you've coronated yourself as the King of Kingsland.......or at the minimum, the mayor of this unincorporated town......

Love your attitude.....

[homeinkingsland]

Let's see...if you support incorporation, then get the hell outta town & move elsewhere?

Geeez......It sounds like you've coronated yourself as the King of Kingsland.......or at the minimum, the mayor of this unincorporated town......

Love your attitude.....

The answer to your question is....NO, you SHOULD support whichever side of this issue works for you, but if you don't LOVE Kingsland get out!! Kingsland as a whole is being painted with an "ugly brush". It ain't perfect, but it is my home. I'd like to see facts, not suppositions, I'd like to hear how this will improve our town, and most of all-I would like the right to vote on things that affect my properties (more than 1) and my future.

To be the mayor - I would have to live in the incorporation zone.
To vote on the issue - I would have to live in the Incorporation zone.

Guess what - I live just outside the boundary lines. No explanation for that. There are water lines in my street, it is paved, and it is a relatively clean neighborhood. So why is it outside the boundary?

I am not for or against incorporation in general - I am against disenfranchisement. I am against gerrymandering. I am against clandestine groups with secret agendas. I have read the meeting notes of the "Say Yes" group and that was their stated plan from the beginning!

Whether you support incorporation or not, remember that some of us are being forced to accept it, without being allowed to have a voice. That is what I object to!

[Caretaker]

For those who prefer incorporated cities-just a reminder you can go live there. Why did you come to our town, and try to make it fit your mold? No one invited you, you chose to come here. If you do not love Kingsland - LEAVE IT! Check out the next place you move to more carefully, make sure it fits your needs. We like our town, and while it isn't perfect, your insulting, condescending attitude makes me wonder what brought you here in the first place.

BTW-I heard from several that they came for the Colorado River, in case you haven't noticed, it is a very long river, there are other towns, some of which are nearby and incorporated. Perhaps those towns would suit you better...

Well put..

[GBlake]

I too own property within the "Zone", but live elsewhere. I have been trying to figure out why those trying to incorporate would be pushing so hard for taxes and government.

I have always look at a mans calander and check book to find what truely matters to that person. Shine the light there - and you will find the truth of this matter.

I believe the truth is to be found in the money. Several of the "Founders" of the Say Yes brigade are business owners. Why would they want to pay more taxes and have additional government red tape to deal with......... unless it would benefit them? Could it be that the higher taxes benefit them - our could it be that they are able to withstand the increase while their competition would have to close down, which would increase their business to cover any increase brought their way by all the taxes. Follow the money.

Maybe these founders who are not interested in running for office are interested in running the new city from within the pocket books of the elected. This would allow them to shape the future of Kingsland in their benefit. Follow the money.

Maybe we can shed some light on this issue by supporting the businesses who support the "NO" vote, and not spend a dime at any business who is in support of the "YES" folks. I know I will no longer spend any money in a place wanting to incorporate. Follow the money.

I would love to see a list of businesses who support each camp, then let us decide where we shop. I am certian that if the other non-resident property owners knew who was trying to force more taxes on them, they too would avoid those businesses.

[GBlake]

If Fire Protection is truely a concern, it can be provided without becoming incorporated. The State of Texas allows for ESD's (emergancy services districts) within counties for just this reason. This allows the ESD to set up a taxing district and then spend that money on local fire protection for those being taxed. I have been involved with some folks who have done this in Bexar county. Yes it is a tax, but it goes to cover those who are being taxed - no one else.

The down side is that more than likely, the Llano County Judges appoint the Board that runs the ESD. This will require folks to stay on top of who is being appointed, and why. Some folks want to be on a Board for political reasons and not to assure proper administration of funds.

Just a thought.

[GBlake]

One more thought for the day.

If cleaning up the community is a real desire, it seems like the community could do this on its own if it wanted. Look at the community envolvement and funding that goes into Aqua Boom each year. I would bet that a similar community effort could be mounted each fall or spring to clean up our own community. It may take several years to completely clean the area, but we need to start somewhere.

I plan to retire soon, and my desire is to live in freedom in Kingsland. I would be proud to help my community in this way.

[homeinkingsland]

I too own property within the "Zone", but live elsewhere. I have been trying to figure out why those trying to incorporate would be pushing so hard for taxes and government.

I have always look at a mans calander and check book to find what truely matters to that person. Shine the light there - and you will find the truth of this matter.

I believe the truth is to be found in the money. Several of the "Founders" of the Say Yes brigade are business owners. Why would they want to pay more taxes and have additional government red tape to deal with......... unless it would benefit them? Could it be that the higher taxes benefit them - our could it be that they are able to withstand the increase while their competition would have to close down, which would increase their business to cover any increase brought their way by all the taxes. Follow the money.

Maybe these founders who are not interested in running for office are interested in running the new city from within the pocket books of the elected. This would allow them to shape the future of Kingsland in their benefit. Follow the money.

Maybe we can shed some light on this issue by supporting the businesses who support the "NO" vote, and not spend a dime at any business who is in support of the "YES" folks. I know I will no longer spend any money in a place wanting to incorporate. Follow the money.

I would love to see a list of businesses who support each camp, then let us decide where we shop. I am certian that if the other non-resident property owners knew who was trying to force more taxes on them, they too would avoid those businesses.

I agree. Give everyone a list of which businesses are "for" incorporation AND which ones are against it.

[homeinkingsland]

Interesting-Search the internet for "Bankrupt Cities". Look at the list, it includes places like Phoenix, All of Orange County CA, Honolulu, and most surprising - Las Vegas.

The solution? Cut services and increase taxes. Coming to a town near you?

[sdann03]

GBLAKE,

I sent you a personal email, but not sure if you will look at it since it doesn't notify you when you get one. If you would like more information on the incorporation & clean up effort, please contact me through the website www.KeepKingslandFree.com (http://www.KeepKingslandFree.com). I have been involved since I found out about it in June.

Great post. Thank you!!

Shelly Comerford

[Caretaker]

Interesting-Search the internet for "Bankrupt Cities". Look at the list, it includes places like Phoenix, All of Orange County CA, Honolulu, and most surprising - Las Vegas.

The solution? Cut services and increase taxes. Coming to a town near you?

That list is growing.Its becoming very widespread. Ohio,Pa,Alabama and you may see a few Tx citys as well. Just look at Alto Tx. They layed off the entire PD... Many of the ones going under had issued revenue bonds to pay for socalled infrastructure projects and now they are biting them in the behind.

[Bentley]

I was told by someone that is going to be working the elections that Burnet County will be in charge of the election in Kingsland and that there are 3 items being voted on in Kingsland. But two will be on one ballot and one will be separate, so that you will be required to vote twice. This person thought this might be confusing and that some voters might not know to ask about the 2 separate votes. Does anyone have more information on this?

[butchkemper]

For reliable and accurate information about the upcoming election and the ballot, call the Burnet or Llano County Elections Administration or visit their web-site. Do not depend on what "someone" thinks they know is the answer.

Butch

[Bentley]

Great advise, do you have their email information or phone number, if so please pass it on.

[butchkemper]

Google is your friend and the telephone book is also helpful.

Butch

[Peaches]

For Llano County:
http://www.co.llano.tx.us/ips/cms/countyoffices/Elections2 You can also find sample ballots on that web page...as well as voting times and locations.

For Burnet County:
http://www.burnetcountytexas.org/default.aspx?name=elect.home

[homeinkingsland]

Elections Administrator - Llano County, Texas (http://www.co.llano.tx.us/ips/cms/countyoffices/Elections2)

Cindy Ware. Mailing Address: P.O. Box 787. Llano, Texas 78643. Physical Address: 1447A East Hwy 71. Llano, Texas 78643. Phone: 325-247-5425 ...

BURNET COUNTY: Elections Administrator: Barbara Agnew: 220 South Pierce St., Burnet 78611: (512) 715-5288: FAX: (512) 715-5287

[Bentley]

PEACHES - Thanks for the website. I looked at the two separate ballots, they both have the incorporation on it. Not clear.

[sdann03]

EARLY VOTING STARTS TODAY!!!!!

Kingsland Library 9-4 thru Nov. 4 & Sat the 29th 9-12
Burnet County Courthouse & Marble Falls Courthouse Annex 8-5 Mon-Wed, Fri; Thurs 7-7 & Sat the 29th 9-12

[Otteris101]

New to this sight, so im not sure how to post but this is important. I just got back from voting and as i finished i realized i never got to vote on the incorporation issue. The lady at the desk told me i had to have the city vote ballot which was her duty to see that i had the right ballot not mine. So i didn't get to vote on this issue. After the fact she wrote city in my voters card. Please make sure you get the correct ballot, at least my husband got to vote cause he stopped before he finished and they gave him the right one. Hope this doesn't happen to anyone else.

[sdann03]

Are you on the Burnet side or Llano side? Please go to my site and email me using the "contact us" tab so I can check into it for you. www.keepkingslandfree.com (http://www.keepkingslandfree.com). Shelly Comerford

[cwolfington]

This is not right. If you go in its up to the people that hands out the ballet to give you which ever you are suppose to get. This stinks if it really happens.

[Otteris101]

It did happen but i do feel it was an accident and not malicious in nature. The lady that helps me was ill and that might have lead to the confusion and i was apologized to and was told this will be taken care of. A friend of mine voted to day and said he had no problems . Just make sure your voters card gets city written on it and all will be fine.

[Bentley]

Don't forget to vote tomorrow.

[sdann03]

For anyone interested, the results will be posted at the Kingsland Library. The doors will open to the public @ 7:30 p.m. Please DO NOT arrive before then as it will only slow down the process of getting the voting machines to Llano. The early voting results will be posted when they open the doors.
Shelly Comerford

[sdann03]

Also, if any of you on this post are interested in helping with property clean-up projects, please contact me @ 830-385-6833 or tnw.sjc@gmail.com. We have started on our first one and last Sunday 15 people showed up. We got a lot done in just 2 hours. I will be planning another one of this Sunday as soon as a secure two trailers and some large tarps. I'll post with more details when it's definite.

After the election, I will also be transforming the KeepKingslandFree website to the community service organization and I'll be scheduling a planning meeting within the next month to get it kicked off. Anyone who is interested, please let me know so I can add you to my email list.

Shelly Comerford

[countryboy]

Let me be the first one on here to send the voters of Kingsland a great big Yeehaw for voting this down.. its great to see that there are still freedom loving folks around and those who know big goverment is not the solution too all the ills of the world.

[Bentley]

Shelley, I have never met you, but I want to thank you for all of you efforts on getting the information out there to all of us. I feel you stood up for everyone on the "No" side. Thank you.

[sdann03]

Your very welcome, but I couldn't have done it without all those who helped me get the info out there, put up signs, knock on doors, and turn out to vote. I want to thank all those who helped in this effort, for without you, your support and hard work it may very well have passed.

THANK YOU KINGSLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shelly Comerford

[countryboy]

I see in the newspaper an article about KMUD Banning New Septic systems.. This would,nt be a backlash from not incorporating would it?. Timing is awfully close to after the elections?. Where do they Think they have that kinda of power?.I Also wonder How many board members voted for incorporation?